Smallville & Sex

[sanalayla]

A lot of folks have been posting all these excellent points regarding this topic  in the comments section of my last few posts. I sat down to respond and realized that I was quickly veering into massive post territory. So…. Since I’m a wordy person, and I have strong feelings about this topic, I decided to give this issue its own post.

As most people know, a lot of “SV” fans are having issues with how the physical relationship between Clark/Lois has been handled this season. This is just going to be my random thoughts on it in response to what I hear a lot about the different sides of this issue.
 

“Smallville” always handles ships like this.

I very strongly disagree with this. Setting aside that Lois/Oliver had a very physical relationship, as well as Lois/Grant (who could forget the horrible image of Lois on Grant’s desk while some Christmas music played in the background… sheesh… scrubbing retinas now), we also saw that Lois and CLARK had a very physical relationship in prior years.

Even when the two weren’t a couple, they would invade each other’s personal space. Especially Lois. As far back as “Gone”, you had Lois sliding up to Clark, gazing up at him and – basically – making him twitch with her nearness. Showing up while he's taking a shower,with nothing but his shirt on. Fast forward a few years and shes punching him on the arm lightly and they’re sharing soulful talks.

In S8, he was constantly manhandling her and she was manhandling him. He was checking her out and she was checking him out. In particular, the scene in “Bride” where he can’t take his eyes away from her neck and hair. Nice. (The episode quickly went downhill from there, but that’s a different rant.)

Then, in S9, they ramped things up where Clark/Lois never went any episode without either touching each other or standing really close to each other, while Clark gazed at Lois’s lips and thought, “Ooohh… pretty. And such shiny hair!” And Lois, in turn, would stare up at him and you could see she was going, “Those eyes… those arms… that smile… how can one man be so gorgeous??” This continued even after they started officially dating.

What changed? Why is it that S10 shows them standing several feet apart and there is no longer any manhandling or simple arm punches. Invasion of personal space? If anything, I would think that being on the same page regarding the secret would make it that they’re even more comfortable with each other on a physical level.

So, all that to say: the reason I expect Lois and Clark to be touching each other all the time is because it’s IN-CHARACTER for them to do so. It’s actually OOC for them to not touch each other. For Lois to avoid touching his chest or for them to not grasp each other’s arms. It’s jarring because this is not the Lois/Clark I’ve come to expect.

Also… while it’s true that Clark/Lana were not very physical, I think that this is a huge reason why Lois/Clark should be physical. Part of the reason Clana was a bad ship (and wrong for each other) was because they lived together and had a very passionless relationship in S7. It helped show how these two do not have an ideal relationship. (Remember the shot, in “Siren”, where Clark gets into bed with Lana and they are several feet apart, while he stares at the ceiling.) The physical distance was a way to convey emotional disconnect.

Lois, on the other hand, is his soulmate. So it doesn’t make sense.

Is it really that bad in S10?

 

I think they’ve had some epic scenes that were tacked on to pretty forgettable episodes, to be honest. If we do a break-down:

Lazarus: Someone remind me - they don't even hug, do they? Or did I miss it? I just remember their reunion scene a bit awkward and anticlimactic, given that they'd just shared an epic kiss and Lois had just saved Clark's life.

Shield: They never even meet. ‘Nuff said.

Supergirl: They hug. Finally. And that’s pretty much about it.

Homecoming: Apparently, they weren’t dating. Okay then. I think the idea was to ramp up the emotional disconnect between them at the start of the episode so that the final scene would have a greater impact. I actually don’t have many problems with that, because they showed that Clark was at a very low point post-“Supergirl”.

Isis: Best reveal scene ever. I actually think they handled all the touching and stuff really well here. It was like I was watching a S9 episode. I especially like the little moments where Clark looks really intrigued when Lois makes a comment about what she’s wearing under the jacket. This is how it SHOULD be.

Harvest: Wading through this craptastic episode is not going to happen. I think they hug when Clark comes to and finds Lois wearing the bonnet? They had the nice shot of Lois checking Clark out when he takes off his shirt and I thought that was well done. Of course, we got the sex scene in this episode, but I kind of feel like it was tacked on.

Ambush: Nice. More than just the beginning (with the porch swing sex), I liked the little stuff. That Lois would reach up and brush soot off of Clark’s face. And that they’d stand really close together when talking to the General.

Abandoned: To be honest, I understand the idea that Clark wasn’t physically close to Lois when he went off to take care of Blur duties because it was supposed to convey to Lois that there was something wrong with regards to his relationship with Jor-el. However… I think they should have been touching BEFORE that. Clark could have come behind her and given her a hug. Gotten close to her when he teased her about admitting she’d moved in. At the end, when she gave him her toothbrush, he should have trapped her against the counter and then issued the karaoke invitation. Again, if scenes like the ones we got in “Escape” and “Upgrade” hadn’t happened, maybe I wouldn’t expect it. But they did, so we know the writers are capable of writing it that way, the directors are capable of directing it that way, and the actors are capable of acting it that way. For some reason, they’re choosing not to.

Patriot: Oh, Welling. *sigh* I have no clue what he was doing in this episode. (Maybe he got too held up with shoots that had exploding buildings and dolphins.) First of all, he directs Mera/AC to be all sexual and all over each other. And then Clois? They act like if they touch each other, they’ll set themselves on fire or something. That final Clois scene? I didn’t need to go online to see how frakked up that was. That episode was pretty bad on many levels (even though I did enjoy it) but the worst thing was this idea that Mera/AC couldn’t keep their hands off each other, but Clois – who haven’t even been together as long – were like an old married couple of 40 years.

Luthor: I wouldn’t have had a problem with the minimal PDAs if “Abandoned” and “Patriot” hadn’t sucked in this arena so bad. This was more an issue of weeks of frustration making me want to hit things. But, yeah, I get why they kept it low-key with Clois. They needed to show the difference between Clois (sweetness and light) and AUCless (darkness and frakked up). I just wish they’d managed to get at least a one-shouldered arm hug with the kiss to the hair or something. Like how they did with Oliver/Lois in “Warrior”. That sort of a PDA would kill five birds with one stone.

The lack of Clois touching/kissing is frakked up when Clark gets to kiss all these other random girls all the time.

 

I’m gonna be honest: This doesn’t bother me. I mean, I didn’t like the Clark/Lucy kiss, but it had NOTHING to do with Clois. It was all about Lucy and Lois. It made Lucy’s character look bad and hurt Lois’s relationship with her only sibling for no apparent reason. I really didn’t give a damn how it impacted Clois, because I knew it wouldn’t. It wasn’t like when “Warrior” came out and they had Lois acting all crazy-pants insecure and jealous. The Cless kisses didn’t bother me in “Luthor” either. Because it had no impact on the actual characters.

I’m not one of those people who looks at the scenes where Welling kisses an actress other than Durance & then begins making comparisons. Welling could kiss every other actress on the show 5000 times for all I care. (As long as it’s not Clark KENT kissing 5000 girls while Lois is in love with him. That’s all I ask. Yes, AoS, I’m looking at you.)

As long as the script doesn't call for Clark Kent to choose another woman over Lois Lane (as he did in "Crimson" and "Bride" and kind of in "Warrior")  then I'm all set. That's all I care about.

Which leads me to….

Having Welling and Durance kiss other actors makes the chemistry between Welling/Durance look weak.
 

Actor chemistry is very subjective. I never thought that Kreuk/Welling had a lot of chemistry in the latter years. Beginning around S3.  I never thought Mack/Welling ever had ANY heat in the shipping department. Personally, I don’t think Mack has ever managed to sell me on heat with any of the characters that Chloe was supposed to get it on with. Not Ashmore. Or Hartley. Some of it was because of (lack of) acting skills. And some of it was because I found those ships to be dreary and predictable. Clearly, a lot of Chloe and Lana fans disagree. And Lollie? I thought they knocked it out of the park and – even now – I see an easy chemistry between Hartley/Durance in the simplest scenes they do together. Clearly, a lot of Clois fans disagree with me.

But… yeah… Welling is hot. I’m sure that if he’s told that he needs to make a kiss hot, he is knowledgeable enough about how the kissing thing works to be able to pull that off. Regardless of the co-star he’s sharing the kiss with. Yes, that means that I think you could stick Justin Hartley in there and he’d STILL be able to pull off a hot kiss. If he had to. I honestly do think he views Freeman and Durance the same way he views Hartley. The kissing scenes are scenes just like any other and I think he could care less about ships. AS IT SHOULD BE.

Just like I think that if Durance showed up on set and she had to film a kiss scene with Freeman, I think she’d totally sell it. It would be hot. (There is a part of me that will always be a little disappointed that Tess/Lois didn’t have a thing going in the AU.) Just because Durance can share a hot kiss with Hartley - or the actor who played Grant – does not mean that she doesn’t have heat or chemistry with Welling. It’s not mutually exclusive.

And that goes back to… they’re ACTORS, people. One of my pet peeves – in terms of responses to “Luthor” – are the comments about how the AUClark and RWTess scene was horrible and how it’s some sort of a betrayal towards Clois. I can get not liking the episode (Aus are generally not everyone’s cup of tea), but THIS criticism? I don’t get it.

I’m like… “Clark KENT and LOIS LANE weren’t EVEN IN THE EQUATION, PEOPLE!!!” Like, people really can’t go, “Tom Welling = Clark Luthor.”??? I mean, Welling was not ambiguous in how he played Clark Luthor and the idea that this was a completely different character.

Lois Lane could give a flying rats ass about whether or not Earth Two Clark has threesomes or macks on his adopted sister. (Well, she may think it’s gross and she’d be right.) As long as HER Clark isn’t going around doing it? What does she care? And – as Clois shippers – why do WE care? Can we really not separate the actors from the characters they play? What are we – CLANA shippers? Or – worse – CHLOISERS?

My point (and I do have one) is that none of this impacts how I view Clois. They’ve had some scenes that have blown me away in the heat factor. (Some that don’t even involve touching, like the scene in “Conspiracy” where they just stare at each other’s lips.) And other times, I’ve been kind of like, “meh.” But it’s a show that’s lasted 10 seasons. And so there are bound to be those scenes that just don’t click or work, for whatever reason.

Random aside, but it reminds me of this interview I read with Misha Collins (he plays Cass on “Supernatural”. He was talking about how Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles like to play pranks on set and that there are these times where he’ll have to do a whole take with Jared’s hand on his ass or something. And then he has a choice where he either has to break character and make them re-shoot, or just soldier on through, knowing he’s not giving his best take.

Now, I’m not saying that on “SV” they have the same environment where Erica has to give a whole scene with Cassidy’s hand on her butt, but what this makes me recognize is that there are a lot of external factors that can impact the quality of a particular scene. What we perceive to be poorly directed scene may, in fact, be due to other factors. Like maybe they’ve spent six days straight, filming at a grueling pace and it’s the final scene before they can all call it a night and go home. Or maybe one of the actors has a cold. Or maybe there was a last-minute script re-write and the actors had barely a few hours to learn their lines. Who knows?

I guess what I’m trying to say is that a lot of factors going into the “heat index” and while I would be happy to admit that Welling/Durance don’t knock it out of the park every time, I DO believe they knock it out of the park about 9 times out of 10. And let’s not forget that they’re at the mercy of the script, the director, and the editors.

I enjoyed the “Harvest” sex scene. I thought it was well done. (A bit overboard with the candles, but that’s “SV” for you.) But I think the hottest Clois scenes ever (for me) were the “Pandora” sex scene (where Clark rips open her shirt and the buttons go scattering everywhere and then he literally picks her up and put hers on the bed, kissing her the whole time) and the scene in “Escape” where he tosses her onto the counter and then kisses the daylights out her while taking off her jacket. The follow-up conversation was also very hot, where Lois’s eyes slide down his body and she tells Clark she can’t ignore him.

In general, I think that any fan that thinks that the ONE kiss they gave Welling/Freeman (which was a hot kiss, but incredibly brutal and forced) is hotter than – say – the sexual banter between Clark and Lois in “Crossfire”? Is crazy-pants. 

Welling’s voice when he says, “What’s it going to be for us, Lois. Love or war?” is hotter than a 1000 Clark Luthor kisses.

All right – done with that side rant.
 

The two are “in love” so people should stop complaining about the lack of sex. They are not hormonal teenagers.

 

First of all, I find it offensive that people think that by asking for more PDAs, I'm somehow asking for non-stop Clois porn. There is a difference between asking for tender displays of affection (like the one above) vs. asking for them to keeping showing Clark and Lois with their hands in each other's pants. I get the difference. I am not five.

In point of fact, one of my biggest grips is that "SV" chooses to draw a straight line down the middle when it comes to PDAs. It's either smut. Or it's no touching and awkwardness. It's rare that they manage to pull of both (like they did in "Ambush", which is one of the reasons it's my favorite episode this season).

The problem I have with this is that “SV” has a frakked up view of love, then. If S9 could show them physically all over each other, but they couldn’t say “I love you” and S10 has them being “totally in true love” but they can’t be physical all over each other, then God help the marriages of all the writers and show runners of this series.

That’s a really FRAKKED UP view of marriage and a healthy, loving, committed relationship. If anything, the declaration of love should deepen and intensify Clark and Lois’s physical relationship.

 And speaking as someone who has been married for over a decade (and has been with the same guy for 12 years), has two children, and is reasonably intelligent, can I just say it’s a load BULLSHIT?!?!?!? Now, I don’t go around sticking my tongue down my husband’s throat in public (ewwww), but we’ve actually been known to hold hands in public. And if we’re in private? Well, let’s just say we don’t act like the other person has cooties. And that’s after more than a decade of being together. We were even… um… closer when we were engaged. That's the word I'm going with. 

So… yeah… I call bullshit. I hate that the show thinks that a physical connection is at a total disconnect from an emotional one. I hate it. And no amount of rationalizing it is going to make it OK for me. Especially because other versions of Superman have handled this SO well. The Clark and Lois in the comics are usually all over each other (and they’re married). “LnC:TNAoS” was the same way.

So given that the characters in the source material are incredibly passionate about each other, I find it hard to swallow that SVClois (who, imo, are the best live screen version of Clois EVAH) are not. I can accept that they choose not to indulge in PDAs, but I can’t fathom why they aren't all over each other in private & why they don't have simple gestures of affection in public.
 

It’s probably not going to change, so we should stop complaining & enjoy the ride.

On some level, I kind of agree with this. I don’t want anyone to get the idea that I somehow think Clois sucks this season. I love that they love each other. The fact that “Homecoming” was all about Clark’s love for Lois makes my heart sing. The reveal in “Isis” is the most awesome reveal scene I have ever seen in ANY version of Superman. The epic speech that Clark gives to AULois on the DP roof is one of the most romantic Clark/Lois scenes I’ve seen.

So it’s not like I think this is a huge deal breaker when it comes to Clois. In point of fact, it’s not even as bad as it could possibly be. But – yeah – I’m annoyed with how they’ve dropped the ball. I’ll get over it, though.

And, after this post, I think I am over it. No point in whining over it anymore.

But just one final plea to the universe? Please, please, please… can we get another arm punch before the series ends? PLEASE?

 

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Thanks to Onebreath and Mimose for the GIFs!! 
 

 

Comments

[ladygawain.livejournal.com]

I agree so hard with everything you said but can't reply adequately now, so I'll come back later. A++++++++++++++++++++++ post!!!!

p.s. They did hug in Lazarus and then went back to awkwardness.

p.p.s. The things I would do for an arm punch these days.... sigh.

[audrey229.livejournal.com]

This is a really good post. A really, really good post. I agree with pretty much everything you said even while I admit outright that the Cless stuff in Luthor pissed me off because I'm just tired of seeing Clark kiss other women. But yes, I know it was Clark Luthor and not Clark Kent. And I agree with everything that you said.

I think that this show sometimes gets confused/struggles with how to realistically combine the concepts of love and lust together as one. I think they know how to set up and direct over the top "sexy" scenes where Clark is usually not himself/under the influence etc. I think they know how to write beautiful love scenes and show us a Clark Kent who is madly in love with a woman. I think that sometimes they don't know how to write the two as one. It's like they perceive Clark as being either in lust or in love with someone but they don't always know how to handle both. I think that, in general, these writers/directors perceive over the top sexuality as being something that doesn't always co-exist with true love. To me, scenes like the Maxima elevator scene, the Clark/Alicia Vegas scene and yes, the AuClark/Tess scene are hot. But I also think that the show intends those scenes to be hot. The director wants the audience to be shocked or take notice etc. And I'm not always sure that the show has the same intention with the concept of "true love." The opening scene of Ambush and the DP roof scene in Homecoming were exceptions to this and I do truly hope that the show change their stance on this before the series ends. Tom and Erica's chemistry is always off the charts for me when the show allows them to truly embrace sexuality...but for some reason...there does seem to be this idea that Clark can't lust over the women that he loves on a regular basis. And I don't think that's anything Tom and Erica are doing wrong. I think that's the show's messed up view on sex and what is "sexy." The chemistry always works for me. But sometimes I wish the show would just let them be.

Another thing that really bugs me about the whole "chemistry" debate is that I just flat out don't think you can compare what an actress who is explicitly brought on the show to be "sexy" or act "sexy" for one or two episodes to actresses like Erica or Kristin (even though I know many people here don't care for Clana I am going to include her in this because I think it's relevant). Over the last ten years, what Clark/Lois and Clark/Lana (in earlier seasons) have been asked to do on this show--sustain an actual relationship/growth over the course of several seasons and all the nuances and emotional ups and downs that come with that is way more difficult than what the majority of women who have come on this show and shared one or two "hot' scenes with Clark have been asked to do. Because of this, I've never been quite comfortable in trying to compare or declare certain characters have better chemistry than others in those "hot" scenes because I really have no idea how any of those other actresses would have fared if they were asked to stay on the show for 7 years and share romantic scenes with Tom day in and day out and still keep people engaged beyond the scope of one or two episodes.

For example, Maxima's sole purpose in the show was to tantalize. To be provacative with Clark. The AuClark scene with RWTess was similar in that the entire point of the scene was to shock and be "hot." Neither actor had to portray love or affection or move along a serious relationship etc. And as much as I love Cassidy Freeman...I don't think that one scene is any indication that she somehow has "better" chemistry. Because it was one scene. What Erica has been asked to do on this show with Tom is way, way more difficult to sustain. She can't just be "hot" for one scene with one sole objective. She has to bring it every single freaking week. And because she has to balance all of these different objectives...there are going to be scenes that are AWESOME and HOT (like Pandora, Conspiracy, Ambush etc.) and there are going to be the occasional scenes that don't work as well because....that's just the way these things work.

[sydney-041.livejournal.com]

Oh how I adore your posts, Sana. I agree with everything you said. While I am grateful for the moments that we have gotten solidifying that they are the great loves of each other’s lives and soulmates, it’s been so damn frustrating that they have neglected the physical aspects of their relationship.

The lack of kissing has been a huge problem considering their last make out scene was the morning after scene and since then Clark has kissed two other women. Cless kissing twice angered me so much, because I am green with envy that Clois aren’t getting any. I don't recall watching an episode with Clois kissing passionately multiple times in an episode.

TW and ED are phenomenal together. They are eye candy and have chemistry in spades, and why they are not capitalizing on this is insane, considering they clois are the only couple at this present time on the show. I agree with what you said that other couples on the show never had a problem with this. Hell, Lollie were together for 6 episodes they had quite a few moments where they quite a few physical scenes.

It's mid season and i doubt anything will get better. At this point I'm going to try to hope for the best and expect the worst.

[audrey229.livejournal.com]

Quite honestly, you may have just hit the nail on the head for one of the reasons why the Cless stuff bothered me that I couldn't put my finger on.

I'm frustrated that I can't get that kind of scene (minus the brutal nature of it) for Clois on a more regular basis. Maybe that really is the root of why I was pissed off about it. It certainly didn't make me feel threatened for Clois' relationship nor did it make me doubt the chemistry EVER.

But I did feel a sense of...how do I explain it? I basically felt like it didn't make sense that the show was willing to devote time to AuClark kiissing Tess for that long but I couldn't get a kiss that long for the actual couple on the show who was supposed to love each other. It played with my emotions and I think the lines blurred about what I was really frustrated about.

[svgirl-203.livejournal.com]

Yes, it does become an even bigger issue when the show is so quick to have these random woman kissing him yet at times choose to put as much (physical) between Clark and the woman he actually loves.

[sanalayla.livejournal.com]

I think the reason for this is because they think that having Clois in a relationship is "boring" (the "Moonlighting" curse problem).
I bet that the REASON they have all these random women kissing Clark is to add "spice" to the show, since they're probably wigged out that their main character is in a committed relationship with the woman he HAS to marry. The dealt with the angst, stalling, 'will-they-or-won't-they' in S8 and S9 for as long as they could. Now, going into S10, they knew they couldn't stall anymore.
So I think this is their way of working around the issue of Clark being in a relationship. Create random reasons for Clark to kiss or be kissed by other women.
Also, I think they feel like they are building "anticipation" when it comes to Clois. Al Septien even confirmed that last year on Twitter. When people asked why Clark/Lois weren't allowed to kiss in every episode (especially after the "Upgrade" craziness where Welling/Durance essentially had to pretend to be short-sided and miss each other's lips by inches just so Clark/Lois weren't actually kissing) and he said that TPTB wanted to build anticipation. They actually thought this was the way to keep the audience clamoring for more.
Frankly, I think both reasons are ridiculous. But this is the show that promoted Clana for 7 years and then - in S8 - brought back Lana & gave her a four episode arc that was a complete angst-fest for Clark, Lois, and Lana. This is not a series that has ever been able to embrace a "happy" ship properly.

[svgirl-203.livejournal.com]

Great post. I agree with you so much. Thank you for writing it.

"The two are “in love” so people should stop complaining about the lack of sex. They are not hormonal teenagers."

I keep seeing comments along the line of, "I'd rather see them have a meaningful relationship then kissing or touching in every episode". And my reaction is usually, "Eh? Why does it have to be an either/or situation?"

I think the Clois relationship is as strong as ever right now. Some bad directing choices aren't going to effect my opinion on how they feel about each other. But that doesn't mean I don't think this is a problem and one I hope they'll fix.

Yes, it is completely in character for Clois to touch. This is something that's been apart of their relationship right from the beginning.

The one thing that really bothers me about this is that there has to be a reason for it. I can't imagine that every single director on this show has this same view on relationships and how it should be portrayed. So that leads me to believe that filming certain scenes the way they do is something that's done on purpose. For what reason? I have no clue.

[ginchy.livejournal.com]

Great post! I would love to see more physical intimacy between Clark and Lois, and not just in sexy scenes (though I wouldn't mind more of those...).

Honestly, I have to say that it didn't really occur to me that there was a lack of physical touching until I started to read about it on DI. (But having cut my teeth on the couple in my icon, I think I know why I didn't notice it right away. ha.)

[sanalayla.livejournal.com]

LOL... Yeah, I can imagine that Mulder/Scully was probably the most subtle of all subtle ships.

[ejamma.livejournal.com]

Thanks for voicing the frustration with the Clois relationship in SV, I do feel that there is a disconnect this season.

I have always loved epic or iconic relationships and one of my favorites was Mulder and Scullly. There was little to no actual kissing in the show that lasted 8 or 9 seasons, but there was absolutely no doubt about the intensely romantic relationship the characters had. The sensuality was in the dialog, non-verbal eye contact, physical proximity between characters and subtle touches. Non-verbals have been missing this season in a lot of the screen time with the characters. It seems as though TPTB are focused on hitting the mark and making the transition from "Smallville" to "Superman" that the power of a look or a touch has been overlooked.

Anyway...my hope for this SV this season is that TPTB remember to incorporate the more subtle acts of seduction into their everyday scenes and remember it is still really important to get out there and bat even if you are not hitting a home run.

[sanalayla.livejournal.com]

Amazingly enough, I never watched "X-Files". I've seen episodes, here and there, but never sat down to actually watch the whole series. I feel like this is something I must do at some point.
But it's actually the shipping issue that stops me. I already know that there wasn't a satisfactory resolution to that ship (since DD left), and so I don't want to watch since I feel like I won't get pay-off.
I thought "Icarus" went a long way towards showing exactly what I feel has been missing. They hung out, bantered, had a romantic moment... and there will touches and kisses along the way. They weren't making out like bunnies, but it was clear that these two are attracted to each other and in a romantic relationship.
I hope it continues, but I'm beginning to think it's based on the director or something.

[celticbabe2002.livejournal.com]

Sana, I found myself nodding along with all of that. I don't expect Clois to go at it like rabbits, just a little slight touches. Like if we take Icarus, while I loved the kisses we got, all I ask for his touching, cupping of faces. I would adore forehead kissage not always at once but just some things that show there's an intimacy.

[sanalayla.livejournal.com]

I thought "Icarus" handled it well, though, don't you? There was a lot of other types of touching in "Icarus" - not just the kisses.

[jirawan.livejournal.com]

I love kisses, intimacy through little touches and eye contact, shared drink/food, dialogues, etc.

I'm not a prude per se but I've never been into the sex stuff whether on TV, movies, or books. I usually skip those graphic parts in books.

That said, I think the 2 sex scenes Clois got in Pandora and Harvest was tastfully done and I love them. I saw love between 2 people rather than lust and something I would be disgust to watch.

Thank you for your post, Sana. I can't speak for Smallville history since I didn't start watching until S9 when I heard there's no more Lana. Actually, the history I got from S1-8 were from you, Luke and BYG who kindly answered my questions. From what I see on S9 and 10, I totally agree about the stark different in the intimacy and touches. But because I didn't suffer through the horrible stuff most of you did from S1-8, I don't feel I have the right to complain. I'm going to roll with the punches and enjoy whatever is given and hope and pray for more. :-)

[sanalayla.livejournal.com]

While it's true that S1-S8 featured a horrible about of Clana, I feel like I should also be fair and say that these seasons had their moments. Particularly S1 and S4. Those two seasons are some of my favorite seasons of "SV".
The thing with "SV" is that when it's good, it's VERY good. And when it's bad, it's HORRID.
I'm into very graphic things (as my smutty writing can attest to), but it's not even the graphic stuff that I want. I want the little things that are the opposite of smut.

[ramainen.livejournal.com]

I know this is an old post but I just had to say totally agree with everything you said, the show's been over for more than a year and even though I still ADORE and support clois I can still see how different the last half of S10 was, and had this sort of disconection between them, if I'm honest I feel it came mostly from Tom/Clark's part.

This has become so noticeable to me that I've even wondered if something bad or awkward happened between the actors during the last run of smallville. Even the tv guide photoshoot has this problem.

[sanalayla.livejournal.com]

Thanks! I'd completely forgotten that I'd written this!

Looking back on it, I do think that the second half was even worse than the first half. I don't think that anything happened with Welling and Durance - I think they were racing towards the finish line and trying to check off everything on their 'to-do' list. The writing in the back half was horrible; I disliked the majority of those episodes.

Honestly, I adored this show but I've found it difficult to go back and watch in re-runs because S10 was such a let-down.

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